Mileage

I am getting to work less and less on this project. I can say that I am still having rather consistant results. I am sure that with the HHO booster on I get 20% increase in the city and up to 30% on the highway. Two weeks ago, I was loosing water out of the cell. It was due to a bad glue job on the bottom and was leaking right out. By adding water, I lowered my consentration of electrolite down to where it was barely producing gas, so I turned it off. After filling up my car, I drove approximately 150 miles of mixed highway and city. When I checked my mileage I got 25MPG without the booster. This is spot on with my previous mileage tests. Now with the booster fixed, I am getting my 30 MPG city and 40ish highway.
I have experimented a little with another, cheaper design. I can say that it drew alot higher amps then the current booster in the same concentration of electrolite, but I do not know if it had higher output. I will be playing with it as I find time, I will also be looking into ways of keeping the unit from freezing, as we are heading into winter.
Overall good results. Everyone should have one!

Posting for posting sake

I have gotten a little grief for not posting too often. The truth is that I have been very busy with things and have not had too much time to put into managing/refining my hydrogen cell. After building two more cells, i took a vacation and am just getting back to research and design of a semi-hassel-free hydroxy fuel cell. As I mentioned in an earlier post, a friend of mine has given me a PWM to experiment with. This is a very simple circuit, but should do the job in pulsing the juice into the cell. I am trying this to see if I can lower heat and possibly produce more gas. I do believe that I am past the prove it part of experimentation. I have successfully given my car a 20-40% increase in mileage.
I am now in the stage of making the system a hassel free system that will only need looked at every 300-500 miles. A few obsticals in my way include the nagging heat problem on the terminals and keeping the water level of the cell at a constant level automatically. I may have already solved the heat problem with larger wires and it is possible that the PWM will help also. And i am currently working on an auto refiller that will simply work on negative pressure from teh cell cooling down.
Here is the circuit for the PWM
now that i am working on the unit again, I will post as things happen. My latest mileage test was 40+ mpg highway.

Uploaded - Aug 9, 2008

Up until today I really haven't had too much to add to my progress. I took a much needed break from working on the unit. the booster continues to run too hot at the terminals and melts the lid of the booster. I am rebuilding my booster and will be using the old one until I have time to recunstruct the lid for the new unit. The picture is of a pulse width modifier. this device modifies the 12 v current going into the cell.I have also upgraded all my wires in my setup to double 12 guage twisted pairs. this should keep the amp draw down and keep the cell terminals cooler. a freind of mine built it from a schematic he found online. I will post the design when I get it.
I will be testing the pwm in the near future and hopefully have some results to post.

New fixes

I said we needed to work out the melting terminal problem that I mentioned in the previous post. It seems that our one terminal was getting too hot and we can only attribute this to our thin strap system suspending the plates from the lid. We decided to go with double the size and see if that helps. you can't really tell much from the picture buts its wider and twice as thick

This allows for more connection and less resistance on the terminal is should eliminate the problem.

I continue to see improvements in my MPGs. On a mix of 44 highway and 68 city, I achieved , 33mpg, roughly 30% gains in mileage. I will consider this one of my last "official tests" as I am getting tired of keeping track of mileage. I will be installing 2 units on a cummins diesel truck in the next few weeks and will show my progress on here.

Uploaded - Jul 12, 2008

I can now edit my blog from my phone which should make it a bit easier to post. I won't be posting without having anything interesting to say so this is just a test. I am still working out some bugs that we have come across in our design. this picture is one of these bugs.

Continuing results

I continue to see good results. I will be moving to put a cell on a different vehicle in the near future. I did run into a melting malfunction in the Positive terminal of the cell . It basically ruined the lid and I will try to post pictures later. I believe it was because of a bad connection and should not be a reoccurring problem. In the mean time , I will be working to put a few of our units together and possibly sell one to recuperate some of our costs.

Some unofficial results

At this stage of the game, i feel like i have a reliable unit that is really producing enough gas to make a difference in my mileage. I feel like I need to take better steps to improve my refueling procedure to ensure accurate readings. I don't want to mislead anyone in this whole thing. I call this unofficial results because I know that there were many variables that may have lead to me getting this reading. I filled my car up the exact same way as before at the same pump after driving 47 city miles I put 1.4 gallons of gas into my car. This figures down to 33.57 MPG CITY only. This comes after I my destributor cap replacement and running on HHO all week. I have to attribute some of these gains to the distributer, BUT even before the distributor went bad I never got over 26 MPG of highway/City. My city only reading before was 23.5. This is about a 42% increase in city mileage. Yeah i'm a little blown away by that myself.
I will be changing the way I fill up my car now. Full to the brim as far as possible should help and using the same pump when possible. I will also avoid filling up to early. The longer your run, the less a small amount of variable matters. I will be putting some heavy highway miles on this weekend and will post a "Highway only" reading for everyone. Then I will discipline myself to running close to a full tank through to get a mix highway/City reading. Keep in mind that I will not and have not changed my driving habits. These changes should give me more accurate readings. If technologies like this interest you, check this link. It is a collections of radio interviews from James Robey. He interviews many inventers, companies, etc. about their technologies. Including my favorite Bob Krupa and the Firestorm Spark Plug... http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/water+fuel

Back on track

Just to let everyone know, i have be feverishly working on building a new cell. With the help of a few others, was able to pull together all the parts needed to do just that. I have some pictures and videos just in case you don't believe me. All the parts were finally compiled on saturday where I spent at least 8 hours building a new cell and modifying my old unit. The new unit is a dual 8-cell in one bath design.(16 plates total) I will not take credit for the design as the plans came off the internet, but it is a fairly simple but very effective design. The plate arrangement is two series of cells like this...
arranged beside each other. Here is the finished cell beside my old cell...
The new cell also incorporates a bubbler (tube on the side with water in it) that keeps the gas from back firing into the engine. You can see the finished cell with bubbler here..

This unit achieves great production. I must say that the electrolyte (NaOH) makes all the difference in the world. When running just under 30 Amps, this unit produces very close to a liter per minute. I could have put a little more electrolyte to inch up production, but I would rather have it running reliably than pushing the limits on my fuse and relay. I decided to put my old cell into a new container (because of my crappy lid) and see how it compared in production with the new one. With the same PVC container I achieved exactly the same results as the new cell. I can only attribute this to the faulty lid on my old unit. It was leaking so much that it could not make enough pressure to bubble under water. This bubbler would not even have worked on my old design. Being air tight is very important to get the gas where it is supposed to go into the intake. So, Although my old unit is potentially working alot better in a new case, I will be running the new Cell in my car for the week to see if I can get better results.


Here you can see the bubbler churning away.

Here it is installed in the car.



Unfortunately this means we will have to wait and see if all the hard work will actually pay off in the end. I just replaced my distributor cap which can effect my mileage readings. I will have to drive a few days without the cell on to re-establish a base mpg average and then run with the new cell to confirm any gains. The production is now there, but is the result.

No Progress

For those of you anticipating some news of success or any news at all. I really have none. I am continuing to run on what little gas I am creating and hoping to get small gains here and there. I managed to blow out another 30 amp fuse when attempting to read my amp draw with a now apparent defective multimeter. It gave me zero reading and ruined my fuse. I put a 20 AMP fuse in and it was running no problem. SO this means that my unit is not actually running to its full capacity or it would be blowing that 20 AMP fuse no problem. I am waiting on a new amp meter so i can add electrolite to my water until I am close to the rated 30 AMP draw I am supposed to get. This should greatly increase my production. It helps to have the right equipment if you plan on doing this.
In other news, I will be attempting to build my own unit(S) in the coming weeks. I feel like I have seen enough of them and know enough about the process to try and construct my own that will put out better results.(over 1 li/min)

Frustration

I noticed my car was running quite erratically (almost stalling every time I stopped) so I went to check the cell last night and to show my neighbor. What do you know the middle node is unscrewed again. After removing the unit and reattaching it I hit the switch and .... Nothing. The 30AMP fuse is blown going directly to the cell. 

I don't really know if it happened because of the negative coming disconnected or my electrolite is too strong or what. I will have to get more fuses tonight. I already need to replace a bunch of them that I toasted trying to find out the short problem before. SO this unit that I thought looked very solid and well built is turning out to be a bit more maintenance than it should be. All results to this point are pretty much shot. I will attribute the very low idle of my engine to the EFIE. At least I think its working. Making the engine think it is running rich will lean it out even more and make the idle low. If any mileage gains exist, you could attribute them to that. Can you say NO POWER. 

I think the unit in the trunk would be a good idea.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4744220927707821186&q=h2go&ei=3qRXSMqOGoO8rwLd0-neDg

Faulty results

It turns out that when I installed the cell I happened to drill a screw into a bunch of important wires under my dash. This was causing blown fuses and my right side marker lights and high beams to not work. I fixed this problem and also refilled the cell with fresh water.(It was completely brown and filled with floaties Idon't know why). while filling the cell I noticed that the lid was leaking again and also the negative node was barely touching. This pretty much voids all results I have to this point. I will be working to patch the lid and have reattached the negative.
I am begining to think that the cell design I have is not the best and am considering building my own. The fact that I could barely get one liter/min really makes me want to work on a new unit that will put out some real results. Will post more results later.

Some first results

I couldn't really wait any longer to find out what kind of mileage I was getting. I started the week with a full tank and drove to and from work and all stop and go city driving. Before I made any highway driving, I stopped and filled up. My average was 23.5 MPG. I don't know if that is too good as I have never before taken JUST city driving readings.
Then I took a full tank on a highway journey of 90 miles (Exactly) and filled up to find I reached 31.6 MPG. This seemed good for my car, but once again i have never taken a highway only reading before. So the average between the two would be somewhere around 27MPG which could be considered a 10 percent gain, but not considered enough of a gain to me. I will be running through for a week to see what I get on a mix of highway/city.
I do think that my cell is not really a high production model like i have seen and I could use some sealing on the hose going into my intake. Stay tuned. Feel free to leave comments!(Please no names, places, or occurrences)

Installation

I know I said i wanted to wait to put the unit in until i reached a certain production (1 liter/min.) but this weekend I got tired of watching the cell make hydrogen and decided to see if this thing really works. I decided to put the Cell under the hood. I started with the relay mounted close to that battery, hooked up all the wiring, then mounted the cell. Hooking up the EFIE was tricky, because I had to find the signal wire coming from my O2 censor and splice the EFIE in. After that I made a makeshift mount for the Cell and ran the tube into my intake. Below is a video of what the cell looks like starting up in the car.



I ran about 110 miles this weekend that were mostly highway. 50 miles were with the cell running. My results were 28.6 mpg. I will be running all city this week and get a reading before any highway driving. I will keep an eye on the unit to make sure it is still there and running every few days. So far, my check engine light has not come on; meaning my engine must be running lean and the EFIE must be working. Time will tell

Second test day

I began testing today where I left off last week. The lid to my unit was a bit more beat up than I thought. The gas leak was so bad that i couldn't even get gas to come out of the tube. After tightening all the bolts on top it created a short and fried my seals. I thought I would have to wait for the hardware store to reopen to try and get a new lid, but after scavengering around I managed to find the parts to redo my seals and get the lid tight on top. When the unit was finally up and running, I produced a liter in few minutes. I didn't time it, but it didn't take too long. I think that having a tight seal may have helped compared to the last time I had a good test. I am looking to put the unit in my car this week and see if it produces enough for mileage gains. If not, I may try a different cell configuration or just scrap this idea all together.(sorry no pics or vids)

First Production HHO Hybrid

I have been very surprised to see so many different instances of people using HHO units in their vehicals THIS WEEK. The media is once again in a frenzy about this technology. There have been multiple claims across the country of great mileage gains using HHO systems, including one in local news. I say once again because it has been around for decades. Everyone gets all excited about it and then, once they are used to gas prices, it fades away. HOPEFULLY it will not be that way this time around. This morning I have come across a "Car Company" who claims that they will be producing a car that comes with a Hydrogen-From-Water hybrid engine. Not only that, it looks like this
Ronn Motor CO (http://www.ronnmotors.com/) out of Texas claims 0-60 in 3.5 sec and over 200mph while getting 40mpg out of a hho hybrid ACURA 3.5 liter Type S engine. I would really like to see a REAL Manufacturer put some time and money in this process. However, this is exciting and every little bit helps.

First Tests

First I would like to confirm that I am averaging 25 mpg in my car. I ran 230 miles with roughly half highway and half city for a combined avg of 25mpg. I will continue to monitor my mileage even before I attach the cell to my car.
This weekend I was able to hook the unit up to power on a bench at the house. The directions specify using distilled water and a teaspoon of baking soda as an electrolyte in the solution.
I filled the unit first with regular tap water to see if it would make a difference. I attached a car battery charger that has 10, 20, and 50 amp settings running at 12 volts to the unit. It is stated in the directions that it should draw 30 amps from your vehicle. Running tap water did not give good results at all. There were few to no bubble coming from the unit and the water turned brownish after just a few minutes.
Second test- I measured out the baking soda (I have read that NaOH is better, but have none) and used the recommended distilled water. The second test yielded better results. I was quite surprised to see the difference that different water and a little baking soda can do. I started with the low amperage setting of 10 and not a whole lot happened. Switching it up to the higher amps produced much more gas, but it still did not seem like much.
In this picture you can see the bubbles of gas starting to rise off the plates.

The best results were with the charger set to 50 Amps.
Here is the cell after a few minutes of running at 50. The cloudiness is small gas bubbles that rise to the top and build pressure.
This picture actually looks like it is doing pretty well, but I wasn't too pumped at what I was seeing. This unit is supposed to be putting out 1liter/minute of gas and this is not near that amount. I decide to measure by using a liter jar underwater and pumping the gas into it while measuring time. While running at 50 Amps it took 4 minutes to produce 250ml. 16minutes /liter. This is not good for water full cell standards. I have seen units from 4-16 liters/minute on Youtube.
After letting it run, I decided to see how powerful this gas actually is. I started by lighting bubbles of gas as they came to the top of my test tank. They pop like firecrackers leaving a little flame. Then I was lighting the end of my tube that hooks directly into the cell. Getting a little haphazard, I thought the check valve was there for a reason! the flame went back through the tube and turned my cell into an H bomb. The Lid and cell flew out 5 feet in the air with a shot louder than a 9mm.
This is what my lid looked like after the explosion.

Luckily it didn't explode the glass and nothing was really wrecked. I will need to check the lid later for leaks.
You would think that higher voltage and higher amperage would give best results and they are better, but the best units put off huge amounts of gas at low amperage and adjusted voltage. The trick is to optimize the signal going into the cell for best results. I will need to do alot more research to find that setting and the equipment to produce it. I will also be researching different cells, as this one has a different setup than I have seen and did not do so well in first tests.

CELL arrived

I was very pleased to see a package on the front porch as I arrived home from work today. Apparently Vada didn't skimp on shipping as it arrived second day from south GA. I of course unpacked the items as soon as i could even though I know I won't be hooking the unit up in my house.
As you can see in the picture, everything is packed nice and secure

The Cell itself is very solid and well constructed. The stainless steel is heavy quality and no junk parts were used. The cell design is very interesting. I haven't seen any like it before online. Hopefully that is a good thing. So far I can say I am happy with the quality, but performance is what we are really looking for.


The EFIE that I decided to purchase from them is also pictured. I don't like that fact that there is no adjustment on the outside of the unit and only a very tiny one on the inside. The plastic is quality and will provide good protection for the inside components.
Overall i am pleased with the item. I will try to test the unit this weekend.

Testing will include trying different electrolytes in varying concentrations. I have not located any Sodium Hydroxide locally, so I may have to order online. I guess I will only be testing baking soda. input is the other variable that I will want to test when possible. I am sure better production results can be achieved by adjusting the signal going into the cell (google stanley meyer and his research). I will not be able to do much with that until I find a PWM that i think is not a sham.
Then again, this whole hype may be... we will see.

I thought I would post again this weekend to clarify some simple things. I'm happy with the response i have had so far with everyone and I hope this is something that can benefit many. I will try to have something interesting to post weekly, but this is really just a follow-up to the earlier comments. I really want to stress that I don't know how well this device will actually work. I am unsure of the exact mileage increases, BUT I have read many different results. (anywhere from 20-100% mileage increase). It has a lot to do with tuning the components for maximum performance and tricking your vehicle into thinking its still running on 100% gasoline.
I say tricking" , because running the HHO will have your car running lean (burning gas more efficiently) and making your O2 sensors think the engine is starving for gas, when really its just working better. This is where the definitions i promised earlier come in.

THE EFIE- is the Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer. It doesn't really enhance too much more than the voltage on the O2 sensor. While running, your car's o2 sensor will produce a variable voltage from 0 to 1 volt to your vehicle computer. When running lean, that voltage is lowered and will trip your check engine light in the car. (not good for mileage). The EFIE is attached above the o2 sensor and will add that extra voltage that keeps the car thinking it is running normal. Tuning comes in to play here. Each cars voltage readings will most likely be different.

The PWM- is a pulse width modifier. This device is a bit more complicated and I can't claim to know everything about how it works. It basically will get hooked up to the power input of the cell and adjust the frequency of the voltage going in. This helps produce more gas with less amp draw. It also helps keep the cell temperature down. I will need to research more about these as I have not found one that I would purchase yet. They are not required to run, but should be considered later on.

And the test MULE is....
This is my ride right now. 96 saab 900s . a 2.3 liter power house. Right now the four cylinder engine is getting a rough 25-28 mpg avg. In the next week, I will get exact mpg readings and be filling up at the same gas station to keep it as close as possible.

I encourage everyone to research more into this project. Youtube is teaming with great do-it-yourselfers, trying the same thing. I hope to post videos in the future. Try searching "water fuel cell" or "HHO Cell". Also check out "Stan Meyer" who was a pioneer in this technology/science.
Until next time

First Post

I just created this blog as a form of communication for a few people that may be interested in what I am trying. I will try to keep it updated as I progress through this experiment. If the typing, spelling, sentence structure, or any of that is wrong on this blog i don't want to really hear about it. this is for content and experimentation

I am open and have created this blog to get your opinions and questions. I hope anyone that gets on here and sees what I am doing can give good feedback and learn from my experimentations.

As stated in the summary, I am setting up a HHO generator in my '96 saab 900s in hopes of increasing mileage and efficiency. I have wanted to do this for a few years now, and this summer I will have the time, space, and resources to finally try it out. I know that there are many opinions on the web and media as to whether or not this works BUT I am going to try it for myself to put my and possibly your questions to rest. I will be perfectly honest with my results and most of my equipment.

So to catch up on what I am doing
I have ordered a Hydrogen fuel cell from www.vadaenergy.com . I don't necessarily think that this cell is great quality or will do well. I just needed something to start with and hey, that site is pretty nice and has a competative price. If i think i can build a better cell (Possibly more surface area) I will do that later, but i needed somewhere to start.
The cell has been ordered along with an EFIE from the same company and I am expecting it in the mail in the next few weeks.
The other item I am considering is a PWM (pulse width modifier) to attach before the cell. (any recomendations are welcomed)
Here is a picture of the Cell I purchased
I will post more on the process, dfinitions, and car as I go. Thanks for stopping by